This just in.......a secret source has secured for yours truly, the Delta Airlines flight attendant contract. Ever wanted to know the difference in pay? Did you know they get Training Pay? How about Short Crew/Understaffing Pay? Now is your chance. I will be publishing the pages, as they come available. Don't forget to tell your friends. If AFA doesn't want you to have the FACTS, the FACTS will be here for all the world to see! If I can figure out how to upload the damn thing......rats!
You asked for it, you got it! Unfortunately, I am unable to post .pdf files on my blog, so I had to create those pages, then add links for you to get to them. You will need adobe reader to read these. [Most computers have it, if not download for free at http://www.adobereader.com/] Once you click on these links, they will take you to blue colored pages where you'll once again have to click on the file name (which ends in .pdf). Have fun and share with friends!
"ISN'T IT ROMANTIC, I MEAN SEMANTIC" No sooner than I uploaded the Delta data, than the blog was visited by 5 CWA computers (Union officials. I invited them to visit, of course!) I was e-mailed comments by various AFA union representatives, basically saying Delta does not have a contract. I don't care what you call it; agreement, piece of paper, what ever. It clearly is much better than what AFA negotiated for our flight attendants. It seems AFA, does NOT want you to have this information, for what ever reason. No complaints from the rank and file membership. It's here and YOU decide!
UPDATE: Thanks for all the encouraging words! Between 10:30 and 1:30pm (3 hours after the Delta post) the blog had 464 hits today. Amazing! I guess this information was what the flight attendants were waiting for. I will try to answer every e-mail, as time allows. Pass the information on to your friends and keep checking back! Thanks, Michael
Here it is:
Delta Contract-Overview http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/home
Delta Contract-Section 1 http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractlegalities
Delta Contract-Section 2 http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractreroute
Delta Contract-Section 3 http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractaccessdays
Delta Contract-Section 4
http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractcompensation
Delta Contract-Section 5 http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractbids
Delta Contract-Section 6 http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractschedulechange
Delta Contract-Revisions http://planeguy.undefined.googlepages.com/deltacontractrevisions
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Hello!! Do your homework. It's not a CONTRACT so you shouldn't call it that. That's the whole point - Delta F/As don't have a contract nor a legal representative. Therefore, nothing they have is enforceable and management can (and they've done it) change it at any time. Remember the whole fight at Northwest to stop management from outsourcing int'l flying? Delta will have the right to impose that on the Northwest flight attendants immediately if we don't hold on to our contract and our union representation rights.
Thank-you Mr. Lehr for providing this vital information for the Northwest Flight Attendant Community!
Yes, Delta Flight Attendants are not protected by a CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement... otherwise known as a "contract"), but these are indeed their terms of employment!
As such, they are subject to change, however, so is a CBA. Do the words "side-letter" ring a bell????
Please continue to inform and enlighten via this blog.
Ma Morton loves ya honey!!!!
Semantics, Shemantics. It's not a contract, but it IS better than what the Northwest flight attendants have. Since Delta management has the right to impose outsourcing, why haven't they done so already???? Sounds to me like david is a big AFA fear mongerer.
Hey great site. Glad to see Jose back in biz too.
Right after we merged I wrote to someone in DTW saying I had just commuted home on Delta and the F/A's had told me the got a 4% raise upon emergence etc... I got quite a response. Not hostile but still she didn't care for my comparisons. They got a better deal over there plain and simple. Keep in mind they also don't pay monthly for the privelidge.
Thanks for the good work.
Let's at least try to keep them honest. (Ha!)
Karen Stevens
maybe we can outsource the AFA for all the good they've done.who raises dues on members under a paycut while top management continues to get top pay on our dues?
What a surprise that, rather than focusing on the issue, David (would that be General Counsel David Boer (sp)?)chooses to focus the label.
Yeah, they are work rules imposed by Delta. Yeah, they can change them at any time. Yeah, they have done it in the past. Yeah, it is better than what we have. Yeah, it's because the threat of a union is better than actually having a union as evidenced by our current Agreement.
Bottom line, Delta management is not stupid. They know full good and well that the only way to prevent a union from coming onto property is to create a better work environment than their fellow unionized carriers.
Let's remember that the point of a union is not to create jobs for union officials (sorry AFA, but the gravy train has to stop somewhere). The point of a union is to protect workers, to strive for good pay benefits and working conditions and to insure that work place issues are addressed.
Frankly, if all of those things had happened 100 years ago, there would have been no need for labor unions to begin with.
And before someone says I am anti union, I am not. I am just anti union officials who feed at the membership trough while hurling insults at the very people who feed them. So much for a union based on principles and not personalities.
Being in the DTW lounge the other day, directly after the union meeting for Feb...the AFA lawyer comes down to in-flight to 'answer any questions' anyone may have. I didn't even bother to ask any when hearing how we MUST make sure we take AFA along with us, else we LOSE our retirement, because DL has 'none'.
Now who in their right mind can't realize this is an AFA paid lawyer to represent them and is making sure the money keeps coming in for all of THEM.
While sitting there, I heard this group of senior flight attendants (waiting to work the Asia flts.) talking about how important it is to have the union at our side, because of the retirement issue... but at the same time they were actually using the word "slave" labor, under NWA work rules. I was sad to hear such talk, because if you aren't happy being a flight attendant, why work here if you feel you are at 'slave' status? That particular labeling is just wrong. We are so spoiled and demanding.
All one can ask for in this time of chaos in our economy is fairness in the workplace, fair pay AND content with what you have agreed to accept by staying in this volatile profession.
So... we can do that without greedy unions.
no2periwinkle, be certain to read the "People in Glass Houses....." for the latest on those wonderful AFA legal wizards!
What someone should tell all these wonderfull AFA supporters, is our contract is unfortunately very enforceable. Every last give back is fully enforceable, as is our soon to be, 10% dues increase. Wow, a 40% pay cut and a 10% dues increase, and it`s all enforceable. Do you think, we can convience Delta`s F/As to step down to our level? So they can revel in the fact that they are making less, paying dues to a pack of back stabbing union officials who really answer to no ONE. DO YOU THINK!
IS it not true that of the top seven carriers,AFA represented unions are the bottom three in pay?
This fact speaks for itself.
How is their policy manual better than the terms we have in our contract? I read over several areas and they were alarming. The lead flight attendant has to keep track of where everyone is during airport sits? Gimme a break. The lead has to make sure that if anyone on the crew goes into a restaurant outside of earshot of the airport PA that there must be a cell phone given and they need to get permission to be outside of earshot? CRAZY. If your trip doesn't go off, report pay is 10.80, not one flight hour.
Ground time doesn't accumulate with each reblock in for the same flight if you never take off, it restarts from your last "attempt" they call it. So you spend hours on the ground with no ability to get ground time because of the disqualifying terms. I personally have gotten plenty of GT that was an accumulation of coming back to the gate yet again on the same flight.
How is 445 averaging better that GTD 415? There are disqualifications to the 445 averaging such as DH. 415 is a GTD once you report. And the kicker is, it as bad as I think this is, it could all change with the wind.
How would anyone want to give up negotiated protections and rules and legalities for this stuff that DL has?
Please someone enlighten me on these facts instead of talking bad about AFA . The goal here is to remain Unionized. Like or hate AFA, in this day and age, and fuel ruling the world, why would anyone not want a binding, legal contract that stays in place until a new one is negotiated. DL pilots, heck even the CEO wouldn't think of taking on his job without protections in place concerning his employment. And believe me he'd sue if it weren't honored. It's a no brainer. What is driving the desire to put your careers at the mercy of a profit-driven company's desires to beef up its bottom line and make or break even? Remember we're losing money.
Why would you give up the only card you have? You'd never on Earth hear one of our pilots say, awh.. heck, lets just go in there alone and see how good we'll come out. You all have to stand up for your hard-fought rights! As DL executives keep exclaiming, "This is a game changer merger". You better believe it will be. One that might strip you of all rights you enjoy now.. Forget that NW went through bankruptcy and by means of that was able to put leverage on us we haven't seen before.. That happened, and it wasn't our fault. But do you want to strip yourself of the right to negotiate for what you deserve? Don't be short sided using our present state of affairs as something that AFA got us into. NW took you and all of its employees and vendors to court and WON the right to do this to you. We are under concessions for sure, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face thinking that going non union is going to improve anything. It's only as bad as it is now, after bankruptcy, because we are unionized. Things are bad, but you have no fighting chance without the power of the collective. Again I ask, would any NW or DL pilot say, Ahh.. maybe we should be at will employees." NEVER. Think about the long term, not how unhappy you may be with our current representation. This will be a "game changer" for us too and not in our favor I'm afraid. Think about it. Do you want to give up your hard won right to negotiate with the world's larger carrier or do you just want them to give you what they think you deserve. The bottom line is their concern. Not your bottom line. You need to think about your own bottom line.. Be smart here. Thanks for listening.
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